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Alan Morgan
30 May 2008 @ 04:48 pm
A rare rant...
This has been brewing for a few days, but finally came to a head today. I wanted to move the discussion here away from [info]naamah_darling's journal, as it's not fair to her to have to deal with this kind of posting back and forth.

Sexism and the use of the word "Bitch"

Apparently, I'm an ignorant, bigoted sexist for using the term "bitch" pejoratively towards a woman.

I do not think that the word "bitch" is sexist and bigoted, nor do I think "dickhead" is. Other people may disagree. I will not, however, refuse to use either word just because it may offend the oversensitive sensibilities of a few people whose opinion I do not value.

There are words I do not use because they offend; racial remarks and "retard" spring to mind. I don't care what race someone is, they're human. And I've met too many wonderful autistic and otherwise mentally handicapped people to use the word retard. In its traditional place, I use the term "fuckwit" for someone who has no cognitive impairment to excuse the lack of sense the gods gave gnats to understand something clear as day.

Neither bitch nor dickhead have the connotation that any of the above words have in my book. It was pointed out that as a writer I should know that "Words mean things. You do not get to change them at will to suit your prejudices." I would point out that as a writer I am well aware that words mean different things to different people and that the connotation of a word can be more important than the meaning of the word.

Bitch and dickhead do not, in my opinion, have the negative charge or connotations that racial remarks do. Nor do I discriminate against women by using the word bitch when I use the word dickhead (or bastard) equally towards men.

A misogynist I am not.

Feminism vs. Equalism

For a while, when I was younger, I considered myself to be a male feminist. I agreed with many of the feminist points. I do think women are abused, underpaid, undervalued, and generally treated differently then men. Whether it be sexual or financial (think of the mechanics that quote $3000 to a woman and $300 for the same job to her husband). This is wrong. And it needs to end. And if I can help the status quo change, I will.

I'm all for equality. Men, women, white, black, red, green, purple, Christian, pagan, goth, furry, dwarf, giant... we're all fucking human and should be treated equally.

What bugs me about many feminists that I've met or read online, is that they're not about equality. They're about tipping the scales in favor of women. They don't seem to care about making things right, they just care about themselves. And I'm sorry, but that's bullshit. That's just as bad a mindset as misogyny. Because if those people have their way, it will be the same world with the roles reversed. It'll be men's turn to be oppressed, and needless to say, I have a problem with that.

"Male Privilege"

As the gods are my witness, I never want to hear that term again. It's use to refer to all the advantages that (typically straight and/or white) men have that women don't.

You know, like the privilege to not be raped. The privilege to not have to think about what happens when you say "no" to someone. The privilege to be able to walk home at night and not worry about the person in the shadows. The privilege to feel safe in your own home. The privilege not to be abused by your spouse, your partner, your parent, your grandparent, your sibling, or other relatives or strangers. The privilege to not live in fear. The privilege to live your life the way you want without being oppressed for who and what you want.

Yeah. Privilege, my fucking ass. Those aren't privileges. They're rights. They're not male rights, they're human rights. You deserve those rights no matter what gender, race, creed, or sexual orientation you are.

"Male privilege" gives the connotation that it's something that men have that they don't deserve. And that's just bullshit.

If you want to say something in it's place, try "sheltered perspective". Because the only people that can truly relate to victims are other victims. Don't be sexist by insinuating that men can't be denied those rights or that they don't deserve them just as much as women.

Militant Feminism

I have two big problems with so-called feminists... the ones that I term militant feminists. One, they have a "women vs. men" approach to life. It's "us vs. them" and everything comes from that kind of perspective. Now, I agree that that's often times the case. But if you let that color your life, then you've already lost. Because you start attacking people who disagree with you and any time they disagree you end up writing it off as "oh, they’re just being defensive". Women who disagree are considered "minions of the maleocracy" or puppets dancing to the strings that men control. Rather than, y'know, having their own fucking minds and their own fucking opinions that just don't happen to mesh up with yours.

Gods forbid they happen to agree with a male, as well, especially if that's their husband or boyfriend. Because, don't you know, that's the reason they believe the way they do, because they're too stupid to think for themselves.

The second problem I have is the way that outspoken feminists treat other women. I'm sorry, there are big problems with the way the world is, and men usually do not treat women the way that they should, but don't think for a second that that gives you the right to treat other women like shit just because you happen to have tits, too.

Think that I'm exaggerating? The fact that I know not one but multiple women who have been told by militant feminists that they should be raped because they don't agree with some aspect of feminism pisses me the fuck off. Oh, yeah, one of those is my wife. Another is my girlfriend (who has been raped). And my girlfriend’s girlfriend had an issue where she disagreed with a feminist and was told to "go back to sucking your chauvinistic pig's cock like the idiot bitch you are". Never mind that she happens to be a lesbian rather than bisexual.

There's a thing called "same-race discrimination". I would posit that "same-sex discrimination" exists as well. Because of the "us vs. them" mentality, militant feminists act like "you're with us or you're against us" to other women. And when they don't behave in the expected manner, they are treated to some of the same kinds of abuse that women don't deserve to suffer at the hands of men. Not sexually, but just as damning and hurtful anyways.

Ask my wife, who's been in tears all day over this bullshit.
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crystaljordan[info]crystaljordan on May 30th, 2008 10:06 pm (UTC)
I think that any time you veer into extreme ways of thinking, you lose perspective on the issue you're fighting for. And I have to say, anyone who tells me I should be sexually assaulted (and sadly, I think more women that not can say they have), would probably get some serious verbal assault from me. You NEVER say that to anyone. I don't care who they are, man or woman. *hugs to your wife*

And I agree that the most important issue is equality. Whether we'll ever actually get there or have people ever agree on what true "equality for all" means is another issue entirely.

And just for fun, I have a t-shirt that says "Just because I like to be spanked and called a bitch doesn't mean I'm a bad feminist." So there. ;-)
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Alan Morgan[info]stormerider on May 31st, 2008 04:46 am (UTC)
Heh. Our girlfriend wants to know where to get that t-shirt.
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Flewellyn[info]flewellyn on May 30th, 2008 10:18 pm (UTC)
Of course "bitch" is not the same as racial slurs in your book; I'm sure that the racial slurs are not so bad in the book of many white supremacists, either.

Or even just in the books of many ignorant fools who never thought to question their racial privilege until they were confronted with it one day. Much like you haven't thought to question your male privilege.

Also, this?

What bugs me about many feminists that I've met or read online, is that they're not about equality. They're about tipping the scales in favor of women. They don't seem to care about making things right, they just care about themselves. And I'm sorry, but that's bullshit. That's just as bad a mindset as misogyny. Because if those people have their way, it will be the same world with the roles reversed. It'll be men's turn to be oppressed, and needless to say, I have a problem with that.

This is simply wrong. Feminists ARE about equality. It's just that real equality means giving up some of that privilege that you hang onto so desperately.
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(Anonymous) on May 30th, 2008 11:24 pm (UTC)
Flewellyn,

In real equality, no one has to give up a damn thing. We all thrive and prosper. Sort of the point.

Respect has to be earned, no matter if you are a woman, a man, white, black, or any flavor in between.

How come you don't know that?

I suspect when you get older, you'll learn these things.

If not, then I guess you'll continue to add more of those chips on your shoulder.

Good luck with life.

– Dark Crone Rising
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stefaneus: HK-47[info]stefaneus on May 31st, 2008 12:11 am (UTC)
In real equality, no one has to give up a damn thing. We all thrive and prosper. Sort of the point.

This kind of thinking if set to the pre-Civil War USA - The slavers: "We don't have to give up owning our slaves AND we can feel good about it? Yay!"
The Prez would love to hear that too: "I don't have to give up my seat? Bush forever!"

I can give a thousand other examples of stupid things such way of thinking is implying. It's kinda shame that on this planet there never was and probably never will be a true equality, isn't it?

But you should know that, in your ancient age, shouldn't you?
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Flewellyn[info]flewellyn on May 31st, 2008 04:16 am (UTC)
In real equality, no one has to give up a damn thing.

Untrue. If women are to be truly equal, men must give up the privilege of being able to get away with committing crimes against women with near-impunity. They must give up the assumption that their wives will provide free labor in the form of housekeeping and child-rearing, which many men still cling to. They must give up the assumption granted by society that, if a man says one thing and a woman says another, the man is always being truthful, and the woman is always lying. In short, they must give up being "the default", with all others considered deviant or strange.
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Alan Morgan[info]stormerider on May 31st, 2008 04:43 am (UTC)
For anyone with half a brain, that's something they never had to give up in the first place because they never stole it to begin with.

And that applies to much more than gender issues as well. It's all about treating each other as equal humans with a certain amount of basic respect, something which society may lack but some members of society still have.
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Flewellyn[info]flewellyn on May 31st, 2008 04:50 am (UTC)
For anyone with half a brain, that's something they never had to give up in the first place because they never stole it to begin with.

Well, that rules you out, then.

Never stole it to begin with? You really have no idea, do you?
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Alan Morgan[info]stormerider on May 31st, 2008 04:55 am (UTC)
It's one thing to attack me on Naamah's journal. It's another to come over and expect me to tolerate the same on my own.

Welcome to my banlist.

And, yes, I do understand it. What you miss is that not everyone who happens to have a cock--or doesnt-- participates in those prejudices that you list. Society is fucked up, and in many ways, so am I-- but not in those ways.
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Gerri[info]gerriwritinglog on May 31st, 2008 07:15 am (UTC)
(I know you've banned this person, but I just have to boggle.)

*boggle* *boggle* *boggle*

Which culture did you come from? THat sounds extremely....Middle Eastern. Restrictive Middle Eastern. Not really relevant to modern American cultures. Women have far more rights around here than that. Listen to divorced dads about how much custody they don't get. Listen to how women scream rape and, while many of them are legitimate, we still end up like that cunt who tried to take down the Duke lacross team, or the bullshit that is still coming out of the Texas raid on the polygamists.

I'm sorry, but preaching about the patriarchy in the U.S. is a mixed bag at best, and downright chaotic with fangs and claws when getting down into the muck. I don't think anyone knows who to believe or which way to think. Entitlement issues flourish on BOTH sides of the gender line, not to mention sexual partnership choice melee. *shakes head*

Things are almost never black and white. They're also almost various shades of gray. These issues have to call on millions of colors and sorting them out can be...difficult. One size fits small (minded people).

Never, ever that simple. That's what makes it fun. *VEG*
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(Anonymous) on May 30th, 2008 11:11 pm (UTC)
Embrace your Inner bitch.
I think everyone has the makings of a bitch deep inside no matter if you are male or female. When you embrace your inner bitch you free that expression and yourself at the same time.

We all have words that trigger certain emotions. To me, bitch is not a strong enough word based on what I've heard about the specific person in question. Stormrider was being kind.

If the word bitch is so objectionable, may I posit the following suggestions for replacement:

Psycho Beast
Ugly Bag Of Mostly Water
Demented Dimwit
Ignorant Twit and a Half
Mental Fuckwit
Female Hellhound (as opposed to the male variety which is usually smaller and less rabid)
Crazy Scum Sucking Twit




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Alan Morgan[info]stormerider on May 31st, 2008 04:45 am (UTC)
Re: Embrace your Inner bitch.
I tend to avoid twit as I'm likely to embarrass myself by mistyping it as something else instead.
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(Anonymous) on May 31st, 2008 12:02 am (UTC)
There's an ancient Taoist saying that I keep close to my heart. "What you resist, you become."

Nietzsche put it more poetically.

"Beware when you battle monsters,
lest you become a monster.
And as you gaze into the abyss,
the abyss gazes also,
into you."

This is a trap many people who try to make the world better fall into. They become the very thing they fight with only minor aesthetic differences. Rather like copperheads and rattlesnakes.

It's very sad when someone who means well turns on everyone who might be their allies.

And ironically, by doing so, they display how human they are.
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Alan Morgan[info]stormerider on May 31st, 2008 03:34 am (UTC)
Amen, Rob.
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Gerri[info]gerriwritinglog on May 31st, 2008 03:21 am (UTC)
I'm of the firm belief that equality doesn't exist, nor would it be desirable if it did happen. Then we'd all be identical, and that would just be BAD.

Our species is inherently sexual. Men and women are not created equally to each other. It goes well beyond reproductive systems, too. Our genetic imperatives are different, our evolutionary roles are different, our bodies are different, and our brains are different. To gain true equality, we'd have to erase important distinctions between genders that I, quite frankly, enjoy.

Using terms such as bitch, or son of a bitch, is inherent in a gendered system. Boys and girls are different. Bitches are usually far more malicious, angry, pack-oriented, and viscious. To say bitch is the same as asshole is bullshit. Or cowshit, to hit both sides of the aisle. (From my memories of growing up on the farm, there's not really any difference. They both stink, they both require scraping off the slab, and they both fertilize fields quite well.) Assholes are usually like a bad digestive system day: leaves you annoyed, inconvenienced, grumpy, and exhausted.

Shit is shit; it stinks, draws flies, and washes off. Bitches leave you with bloody bites, gaping wounds, and no taste for more conflict. Vastly different things.

Don't get me wrong. Men and women should be paid equally for equal work. Men and women should be equally respected, no matter what job/career path they choose. But sorry, there's a reason that men object to women in combat; women simply aren't as strong as men. Yes, there are the unusual women who are that strong. There are plenty of men who aren't that strong. Naturally born men aren't going to be giving birth any time soon. Naturally born women get that option.

Men and women aren't equal. Insults and compliments come from a sexist system, and that's the way it is. Trying to suppress or deny that basic fact won't change it. I'm an innie, and my husband is an outie. We're different. (And no, I'm not talking about belly buttons.)

My main annoyance is that too many feminists go to the extreme, trying to right the apple cart by sending it completely in the opposite direction. Not gonna work. Put the damn thing back up on the wheels, realize that each wheel is different while helping the apple cart go in the right direction, load the apples back up, accept that not all apples are created equal, and move it along. Understand the difference between equality and equal respect, damnit. They're NOT synonymous.

Yes, I'm one of those damn hippy moderates who don't like extremes to the point of being extremely moderate.

Why, yes, I am a contrary. How'd you guess?
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Alan Morgan[info]stormerider on May 31st, 2008 03:35 am (UTC)
I am reminded...
Of the movie Blade.

"Some dumb motherfucker is always trying to skate uphill."
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darkmalys[info]darkmalys on May 31st, 2008 04:01 am (UTC)
A sad thing
That's what is sad, really, when people have to rip into someone just for disagreeing on any opinion. I don't really care about the argument anymore, I only care that it hurt friends of mine simply because they have a different view on an issue.

Quite frankly, equality is a distant dream that will *never* exist in reality for so many reasons. One is that one human can never be exactly like the other, it's just not possible. Another is simply because of human nature: we will *always* seek to place ourselves over another no matter how "equal" our society becomes. That's primal instinct.

Like it or not, that is reality. And attacking someone else because they accept this reality and not the one you want created is just sad.
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wiccapriestess9[info]wiccapriestess9 on June 1st, 2008 04:12 am (UTC)
**Hugs**


Well, wow..
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